Ted Haggard, since when are humans perfect?

I am not condoning what Haggard did. I actually hold preachers and pastors to a higher standarad than us regular mortals. However, the gay guy didn't have beans against Haggard and he failed a lie detector. This hullabaloo is over something that is more shocking...

We tend to look at our religious leaders like they are on a pedestle. Why do we do that? Humans fail. It is precisely why Jesus came to take our place. We all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

However, that still does not make what Haggard did okay. Far from it. But... I say let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
http://refreshmentrefuge.blogspot.com/2005/07/no-stones-part-1.html
http://refreshmentrefuge.blogspot.com/2005/07/no-stones-part-2_25.html

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

You might want to read the story about Mike Jones failing the lie detector test just a teensy bit closer. The examiner said that there were factors (such as lack of sleep) that could have adversely affected Jones' test, and he recommended retesting next week.

Additionally, it's worth noting that the polygraph ("lie detector") test is not admissible as evidence in a court of law.

Haggard's now admitted to buying meth and then throwing it away, and then getting a massage, set up by a Denver hotel, with this rent boy. But he can't name the hotel. This sounds a lot like "the dog ate my meth" or "I didn't inhale" to me.

Malott said...

Well said.

I think it also needs to be said that this is simply the Democrats and mainstream media throwing mud at Christian Conservatives - and linking them to Republicans - the week before an election.

If Haggard was a liberal Episcopal, this story would have never made the news.

Refreshment in Refuge said...

Oh, I agree with you, Pleather. My point is that Haggard is convicted before he's even tried. This is precisely why we Christians are to avoid like the plague anything that even remotely looks like evil. However, we fail. If Haggard has done something illegal, then he should pay for it. But crucifying him because of trumped up charges is wrong.

Anonymous said...

I'm fascinated by all the falderall. To be a Christian, we must first admit that we are hopeless sinners without any means of fixing ourselves. So here we have a Christian (self-professed sinner) being accused of being a sinner. Yeah ... what's the point?

And the idea that "He has had a homosexual affair, so he's not fit to say that homosexual marriage is wrong" just doesn't hold water at all. It's a classic but very common logical fallacy. "Dad, how can you tell me it's wrong to have premarital sex if you had premarital sex?" "Because, son, I know first hand the problems it causes."

But the part I really don't get is ... what has any of this to do with politics?

Refreshment in Refuge said...

Excellent point, Stanley. I shall have to point this out on BNN.

Anonymous said...

Haggard is the worst type of homosexual...the self loathing kind, much like the late Spokane mayor James West, Jim McGreevey, and more recently Mark Foley. Any of these gentlemen (all I imagine consider themselves good Christians) had to do whenever any sort of vote came up for same sex benefits was to make a conscious decision to not vote...either way. Abstain from voting. But by voting against every gay positive ballot initiative while skulking around behind everyones back and having gay sex they have all shown themselves to be hypocrits and self-serving opportunists.
One more thing, if stepping down is the correct way to do things as the writer suggested in anotyher Haggard piece, while mentioning Clinto didn't and he should have, then when the press got their cojunias back to start questioning Bush as to his WMD lies which got you folks into a winless war...he defiantely should have stepped down. Clinton's sexual escapades didn't get anyone killed; Bush's lies have.
As an openly gay man of 51, I find the hypocrasy in these men amazing.

Of course from another perspective, maybe Ted Haggard will be the one to educate Christians that homosexuality is not a choice, that it is indeed natural as your God made little green apples. He mentions that he's fought this darkness for years and yet calls himselve a man of god...a leader. So if he didn't choose to be gay...something every gay person I know has reiterated over and over, jusr maybe it's time for you good christians to take a really good look at the mounting evidence on the subject...and check out Jack Rogers' book on Homosexuality and the church.